The SS also identified many of them as just Bible Students, ones who didn't follow Rutherford when he took over in 1917. There also were ones who didn't take the name Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931 and remained "Bible Students", and the SS distinguished the Bible Students from the JWs, while the WT today claims them all.
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Does this count as Nazi collaboration?
by Julia Orwell ina jw friend of mine visited the site of auschwitz-berkenau and bought a book on jws in auschwitz which documents which jws were in the camp, which ones died, and what they did while they were there.
known as honest and industrious workers, a lot of them, especially women, were employed as domestic help in the homes of the ss commanders.
this is well documented.
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Does this count as Nazi collaboration?
by Julia Orwell ina jw friend of mine visited the site of auschwitz-berkenau and bought a book on jws in auschwitz which documents which jws were in the camp, which ones died, and what they did while they were there.
known as honest and industrious workers, a lot of them, especially women, were employed as domestic help in the homes of the ss commanders.
this is well documented.
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Julia Orwell
A JW friend of mine visited the site of Auschwitz-Berkenau and bought a book on JWs in Auschwitz which documents which JWs were in the camp, which ones died, and what they did while they were there. Known as honest and industrious workers, a lot of them, especially women, were employed as domestic help in the homes of the SS commanders. This is well documented. These women looked after the kids, did the housework and ran errands to the shops and other places in town.
By contrast, there were several small religious groups in the Soviet GULAG who like the JWs were considered decent workers who refused to work for the camp commanders. Even non-religious (at the time) prisoners refused to work for the commanders because it was considered immoral. The writer Alexandr Solzhenitsyn himself when he was a prisoner refused to work on a project that would harm his fellow Soviet people.
And like the bosses of the GULAG, these SS commanders were responsible for the hideous oppression going on around them. They knew damn well Jews were being sent to the gas chambers; they were the ones running it! And JWs went and worked in the homes of these murderers. Of course I shouldn't judge the the JWs because they were faced with painful death and this a way to snatch some more life. I can't help thinking though, that by helping the SS they were collaborators in what the SS were doing at Auschwitz. Compare that to the people who lost their lives or health in the GULAG because they wouldn't help in the oppression of fellow humans. By collaborating with the SS as domestic help, were they not party to the work of murder and oppression the SS were doing?
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Who pioneered with the promise of having 'Jehovah provide' and ended up dirt poor anyway?
by Julia Orwell ini ask this because the wt always bangs on about if you trust in jehovah and make that leap into pioneering, you will always be provided for.
at the time i joined the cult, a friend was continuous aux.
pioneering.
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Julia Orwell
I knew a couple with four kids who pioneered and weren't that poor. Reason: he was an embezzler! And they lived in government housing and probably got parenting payments for their four kids. Pioneering on taxpayers' money.
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Counteract jw.org August 2014 Campaign!
by jw07 inthere was a letter read at the last meeting indicating a push to advertise jw.org door to door in august 2014.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/273040/1/four-boe-letters#.uv8l4vldv1e.
many of those who the witnesses prey upon will no doubt search for additional information on the internet.. let us use the extra attention against the watchtower!.
- there are many of us on active on this site.. - most of the widley used search engines (google, yahoo, bing etc) show autocomplete results.. .
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Julia Orwell
Great idea!
And besides, if they wanna advertise a website, the worst way to do it door to door! What about Facebook, Google ads, even a bloody billboard! Idiots. They're not gonna make converts with the internet because someone came to their door to tell them about a website.
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Really stupid comment from an Elder..
by DATA-DOG inso during the serve-us meeting last night an elder says something really dumb..as usual.
it was the km part about doing better in field serve-us.
they are discussing how to reach people, and how to be nice, blah, blah.. the eldub says, "we want to be kind to our neighbors, and talk to them and take an interest.
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Julia Orwell
If your thread title was, "Really intelligent comment from an elder" it would have been far more unusual!!!
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Sing Dirges to Jehovah?
by donny inback in 1985 my then-wife and i were having a lunchtime "gathering" at our place to show some support to the ones in our congregation who were full-time pioneers.
i had just recently received the vinyl collection of the songs featured in the song book "sing praises to jehovah" which had been released the previous year.. .
many of these melodies sounded depressing to me although i would have never admitted it at the time.
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Julia Orwell
The latest ones released in about 2009-10 sound more like Christmas carols, but not as catchy or happy.
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Who pioneered with the promise of having 'Jehovah provide' and ended up dirt poor anyway?
by Julia Orwell ini ask this because the wt always bangs on about if you trust in jehovah and make that leap into pioneering, you will always be provided for.
at the time i joined the cult, a friend was continuous aux.
pioneering.
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btt for new people
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Now predicting increase of anointed?
by jgnat ini came across this nugget in the may 2014 issue:.
"are you moving ahead with jehovah's organization".
....at one time, the anointed remnant were like the little one, but their number grew as other spiritual israelites were brought into gods organization.
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Julia Orwell
Yep, they will spin the increase and JWs will think that's always been the teaching. Happened with overlapping generations.
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Really stupid comment from an Elder..
by DATA-DOG inso during the serve-us meeting last night an elder says something really dumb..as usual.
it was the km part about doing better in field serve-us.
they are discussing how to reach people, and how to be nice, blah, blah.. the eldub says, "we want to be kind to our neighbors, and talk to them and take an interest.
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Julia Orwell
Once again, Outlaw nails it succinctly.
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German "JW's" just after WW2
by Phizzy inwhen i was growing up in the religion i heard a number of times that immediately after ww2 many jw's in germany left the religion.. i was told that this was, despite their courageously opposing the nazi regime, and enduring concentration camps etc, after the war , they fell prey to "materialism".. there was much shaking of heads as to how this could happen.. whilst reading an old thread the other day, i read there that these ones who left did so because they did not agree with doctrinal changes that had gone on whilst they had been cut off by the nazis and the war, "materialism" was nothing to do with it.. is this another case of watchtower revisionist "history" ?.
does anyone know the truth about what happened at this time ?.
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Julia Orwell
I've heard of similar cases of Eastern European emigres to Australia. Prison in communist Eastern Europe where they are martyrs cut off from any information, and in conditions that make 'the new system' their only hope for anything better, then freedom in Australia where they know life can be better in the present freely explore other ideas. But it was the same thing, the JWs said 'materialism' made them leave. Not that in a free country they realised there were other alternatives to communism or JWism.